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How much cribbing does everyone get on your MVA's. What type do you use, ie; hard wood of commercially manufactured? We carry 40 pieces of hard wood 4X4X26" and i dont see it being enough. What are everyones thoughts?

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If you need a lumberyard, carry a lumberyard.

If you need different dimensions and shapes, carry different sizes and dimensions...2 x 4, 4 x 4, 4 x 6, 4 x 4 wedges, step chocks, ladder cribbing, and even 2 x 4 shims.

You also need to think about carrying long 4 x 4s (5 or 6-foot lengths and a couple of 8-footers) for bridging voids and to be able to custom-cut bracing at the scene.

Also carry a set of complete extrication struts - Alpha Industries Crutches, Rescue 42's Telecribbing, ResQJacks, etc. Hurst and Paratech also make extrication struts. They are extremely valuable for cars resting on their sides, vehicle overrides/underrides, and other vehicle positions that leave large voids.

Remember that large voids are often easier and quicker to bridge with struts than to fill with cribbing.
The struts (tensioned buttress systems) can provide nearly bombproof stabilization in situations where cribbing doesn't work at all due to the lack of purchase points.

My most recent heavy rescue carried eighty 4 x 4 x 18, twenty 2 x 4 x 18, thirty 4 x 6 x 18, forty 4 x 4 wedges, and two each long 4 x 4s...two four footers, two six footers, and two eight footers.

We once cut a six-footer down to around 4 feet, 9 inches to keep a dash push moved out from a power pole when we could only get one ram at a time in the opening. Every time we collapsed the ram to reposition, the opening would close up. We cut the 4 x 4 and braced the opening from the top, collapsed the ram and inserted the next larger ram, and presto, no springback. The extrication was quickly completed after that improvisation.

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We used to carry the 8 footers but they stayed on the rig for 9 years and didnt use them once. They were on there for placing over the hood when we used to pull steering wheels.

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The 8 footers are useful for several other things...

They can be used with ratchet straps as tensioned buttress systems if you don't have a set of stabilization struts.

They can be used as a crease bar for roof flaps. Roof flaps are making a comeback due to the increasing difficulty in cutting the fortified steels in roof posts.

They can be used with a plywood sheet and a few nails to create a hasty bridge over a deep ditch.

They can be used to support a car that wrecks into a deep ditch or an open trench.

They can be used with two box cribs to support the high end of a vehicle that has partially overridden another vehicle while leaving a crawl space for accessing the patients in the bottom vehicle. This bridge technique can also be used for heavy objects, especially large pipes at construction accidents or tractor-trailer wrecks/loose cargo.

They can be used to bridge lip slides and support the top of the sheeting panels at a trench rescue.

They can be used as hasty raker shores for structural collapse.

Long cribbing isn't going to be used every day, but it is important to have the capability.
When you need it, nothing else will really do the job.

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How much do we carry ? -- not enough

we carry hard wood 4x4x24, 2x4x24, 2x24x24 and composite wedges

recently purchased the "shark" collapsible step cribbing, haven't used them on a run yet but for some things look nice. They are heavy and setup isn't as intuitive as I would like

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Nice info. We have a similar arrangement of hardwood 4x4, 2x4 (18/24”) & wedges, along with step chocks. I recently attended an extrication class and used commercially available cribbing, real nice to work with, heavier than hardwood (2-3x?), but stayed in place. I have been looking for more info on this type of cribbing and look forward to seeing more info on this thread. I agree, the quantity of cribbing needed with the height/length of so many vehicles; particularly SUV’s & HD PU’s w/crew cabs being used as everyday family vehicles.

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We have some hardwood cribbing, but it's more expensive and more difficult to find than pine.
The hardwood has a higher crush strength, but you're not going to get anywhere near the crush strength of pine on an average car wreck.

We've found that the pine has an advantage that is not generally recognized - it is easy to get a "bite" into it with the sheet metal lip under the car's rocker panel, the bottom edge of bus sheet metal siding, etc. It may leave a mark in the cribbing but it makes the vehicle more stable with less time and effort.

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