-Work Schedule Research

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Permalink Reply by Michael Kendall on June 23, 2008 at 9:55pm

I see at one time or another you had a powerpoint on the 48/72, if you would be so kind as to send that to me it would be a great help. I am also looking into changing from the traditional 24/24, and will take as much help as I can get on this undergoing. Thank you.
email,, michael.kendall3@us.army.mil

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Permalink Reply by Chris Hubmer on February 6, 2009 at 1:26am

Hey John,

Could you email me your powerpoints?

christopher.hubmer@eu.navy.mil

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Permalink Reply by James Bright on October 6, 2009 at 10:54pm

could you send me the power point on the 48, 48 our department is looking at it also. james.d.bright@conus.army.mil thanks

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Permalink Reply by steve turner on August 26, 2008 at 10:47pm

John i'm with the fort rucker fire dept in alabama. We are currently looking at 48/72 vs. 48/48. We work 24/24 now, anything u have that i could get to show pros and cons.Please send!!

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Permalink Reply by The "Ric"-ster on February 13, 2008 at 11:29am

Hey, I'd like to help. We at Fort Lewis, WA. work the 48 on 48 off. I've tried to include a copy of all the group numbers but it won't transfer. If your give me an e-mail address I'll try to send it to ya. We run out of 4 stations & staff 6 pieces for equipment. Stay safe, Ric

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Permalink Reply by John Casey on February 14, 2008 at 9:22am

Ya, would be alot of help please send to casey6170@aol.com

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on March 2, 2008 at 2:12pm

Bryan,
Glad to see someone do a reality check. We at Navy region Mid-Atlantic have some folks pushing this hard but they are putting out some bogus information. When a few of us "old guys" took a real look at it we found alot of negitives. It seems that there are a whole lot of trade offs to get a couple extra days off in a row. It just does not seem like a system that is fair to all the members. We have a couple guys trying to tell us that we will all have better family time. Seems to me that is going to depend on your individual situation and what break group you get assigned to. I know in my family with my wife working and my daughter in high school I will lose quailty family time. It also seems to me as a captain that working a group system instead of a shift system I will not have a "company", but different guys each day. How is this affecting you guys? We are trying to get enough info so our people can make an informed decision.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on March 2, 2008 at 9:01pm

I agree with you Bryan. One of the points we are trying to bring out is that this is not a simple change. It affects every members home and professional life in a MAJOR way. We have some folks that keep saying lets just try it for a year. We are keep telling them that it is not that easy. We have been a local for five years since regionalization and don't even have a contract. I think that should be more important than changing to an unfair work schedule. The guys that are pushing this schedule keep claiming that everyone that has tried this schedule loves it. However we can't get any names or departments from them. I am not against change, but there should be more benefits then cons. I don't believe in change just for the sake of change. Thanks again for your honest and common sense response.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Robbins on March 3, 2008 at 10:08pm

John,

Fort Myer (F-253) - We used to work the 7 group schedule with 2 day and 4 day breaks. What a horrible schedule. I could never keep track of when I was off. I literally had to look at the calendar every day to see when I had to work next.

We switched to the 48/72 schedule last summer and it has been nothing short of fantastic. We still have the 7 groups, but that's okay. We used to have to call in sick if we wanted to get a day off, now the incidence of people calling in has all but disappeared. It still happens on occasion, but nothing like it used to. Management likes it because it cut way down on overtime. Imagine that, everyone started coming to work. 2 three day breaks and a two day break every pay period. Wow!! You still work your required 144 hours, they're just arranged differently. As an added bonus, our fuel consumption for the commute to and from work decreased by half.

At first we thought there might be a problem with crews being tired working 48 hours straight. In addition to operating on post, we also have a ARFF mission at the Pentagon, respond to Fort McNair over in D.C., Arlington National Cemetary, and we run off post with Arlington County quite frequently in what I like to call the "race to alarm reset". As it turns out, it really didn't make any difference. The guys generally go to bed around 22-2300 on the first night, wake up at 0600 and begin day two. The worst part is when well goes dry and you don't turn a wheel for a couple of days. The boredom can be a little monotonous, but your car will be really, really clean, waxed, and detailed.

If you have any questions, feel free to call. I'll upload a copy of our schedule. I'll also upload a powerpoint presentation. We got it from NIH. Change it to suit your needs.

Chris Robbins, Firefighter/EMT
Fort Myer Fire Department
Fort Myer, VA
chris.robbins3@us.army.mil
DSN: 426-3483

Attachments:

• 48-72.doc, 217 KB
• 48-72 versus 7 group.ppt, 270 KB

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Permalink Reply by Nukefirefighter on March 11, 2008 at 2:43pm

CHRIS !!!!!!!
Thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As you see we here in NAVY MID ATLANTIC ARE TRYN TO GET THE 48-72... But we have people like Kevin (who responded before your post) That are going everything they can do shoot it down.. Maybe your insight can help him see things!!!!!!!!! I am one of the people he was talking about putting out bad info but i have received a lot of help from you guys in jacksonville, i have talked to your VP down there and he has sent me a lot of paperwork and excel charts on saving from sl and al......... and the pros and cons......... Yes it is true that we dont have a conctract signed as of yet .........But Kevin why don't you help push the contract thru verses stopping the 48-72..............

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Permalink Reply by Chris Robbins on March 11, 2008 at 4:01pm

I've read through Kevin's posts, I don't think he necessarily trying to shoot it down as much as he wants everyone to be able to make a well informed decision. This schedule isn't for everyone. Look at Bryan's posts; I work the same schedule as he does (Thursdays off), my girlfriend works 9-5, as does his wife, and we both have kids. He hates it, I love it. His wife hates it, my girlfriend likes it (something about waking up next to me more often). Maybe it's because I can trade shifts and he can't, I don't know. Everyone's different, every department's different. But kudo's to those who try to get all the facts before forming an opinion (good or bad).

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on March 11, 2008 at 11:09pm

Thanks Chris, I will admit that I am now against it. This is because I have done my own research on it and not counted on someone else to do it for me. As you point out, in the end it is a deeply personal decision for each of us and should not be forced on anyone. As for you Nukey, What turned me off to 48-72 iniatially was the personal attacks you made on anyone on the F-25 message board that disagreed with you. That got me looking into it deeper. I don't understand why we can't disagree on an issue and voice our opinions. You don't need to attack people if your cause is just. All you have to do is put out accurate information. Then we can just agree to disagree and go on with life. Also I wonder how many departments that are on this schedule don't have a contract and are trying to operate under a bunch of seperate old contracts. I want a contract as much as anyone but have as much control over it as you do. I would hate to give management control over this without us having a contract.
Kevin

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