FF Safety??

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Permalink Reply by verno on September 17, 2009 at 2:34pm

This is a very good question...I think it gos back to alot of old school thinking that "it not going to happen here" or " it hasn't happened yet, so its not going to". As a firefighter in todays world, with all the light weight construction and the other unknown factors in homes and industry alike, every firefighter on a dept. needs to light a fire under the Chief's behind and get this implemented into your responce to a working structure fire. Like I have said before, if you don't think this is needed, you need to take a step back and look at how fires in structures have changed over the past 10yrs and reevaluate what role you want to play at a fire scene!!! All yes, and by the way, the RIT/FAST Teams on the fire ground are only there for one reason and that is to SAVE one of our own someday because the cruel reality is: IT''S GOING TO HAPPEN!! So I guess the next question is: Are you and your dept. going to be prepared?

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Permalink Reply by verno on September 17, 2009 at 10:53pm

WOW, I can't stop laughing Rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is some funny sh!t

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Permalink Reply by dday on September 20, 2009 at 8:42pm

To bad people take things that way...

But on the other hand, it is ok for people to say we are idiots for doing FF Survival and RIT training. People say "This is not for fd's in a rural setting" That kind of talk is ok? WTF??? As I say we will continue to operate the way we do and talk all you want we are use to it...

You know these trainings come about for one reason. Do I need to tell you why?

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Permalink Reply by Tim Wood on September 20, 2009 at 9:04pm

i think this is a great tool but until we get every department on the same page including my own this and many other things such as this will continue to be debated. DDay you and your department are always on top of things and many of us love what your doing keep up the good work bro

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Permalink Reply by R Griffin on September 21, 2009 at 8:35am

I see the need for RIT right here in our own backyard but we are the only ones going with it but it will take alot more training to put it in play. . The realization is this, people think since they have a couple extra guys on the fireground, they could just be RIT/Fast teams-Not realizing the intense training it takes to become a good rit team. I believe some people don't stop and think what these teams must encounter to save ones ass. RIT goes when everything already went to crap. Even though we can't RIT our own calls that should wake up other depts to push the issue for their guys to get trained.Train together work together and try to be as one would be the right thing but not as hand me down trainings I am glad to have the chance to see RIT teams train and attend skills and drills training and at first I thought they were a bunch off dumbasses for the way they did things and realized REAL fast it was me being the dumbass so I put the packs on and did the drills and saw the need first hand I would have told you to pound salt we don't need that crap before that. We did the same drills for years and years at a school here in glenmoor with all the chiefs following the foot steps of the past chiefs NO MORE and the guys know that if that is all they want then I'm out. BE SAFE!!!

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Permalink Reply by verno on September 21, 2009 at 10:30am

That is a very good statement Rich,and the fact you are willing to tell everyone that your eyes were opened and it didnt take much for you to see need for a RIT/FAST Team is a good thing and I hope OTHERS in the county follow in your foot steps!!! I still think that alot of dept. heads and their officers are afraid to open their eyes to this training because they dont know the first thing about it and it will make them look like a bunch of dipsh!t douchebags and their pride will get hurt!!!!!!!

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Permalink Reply by R Griffin on September 21, 2009 at 1:37pm

Thanks verno, The thing is when you say CHANGE in the fire service the first thing that hits the older experienced firefighter or fire chief is that they don't or never have known how to fight fires and this is not true or what we are trying to say.They do the right thing but that way is not the fix in todays fire service, Lets just take the words of Dave Dodson -the fire doubles every minute is way old school -it might be seconds with the smoke gas ignition. we didn't change it, society did.The old formula of 8-10 thousand btu for pound of fire load isn't even used today and if it was it would be 18-20 thousand and you think nothing has changed? What about the NIST old 6-8 minutes now 4 for a flash over If nothing has changed -why are they rewritting text books? Now they want you to see the heat not just feel it. The heat used to hit the high temp and burn off and start to decrease 800-maybe a little higher and now 1700 and it doesn't take the high temp to flash with all the new crap in these fires, today your gear could protect you enough to not even feel it before it does. At least read up and follow through what these instructors are telling us .It should change the way you look at these fires Like the saying goes don't slave it master it BE SAFE!!!

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Permalink Reply by Matt Smith on September 22, 2009 at 11:11pm

I think this is a skill that should be included in all fire service trainings, at every level.
It should be looked at and drilled into everyones head prior to ever being allowed to conduct
actual fireground operations! Just listening to all the chatter about "Do We Need this training in our
area"? The answer to all of those "underminers" is HELL YES! Just look at the statistics. I hope we never
have to use Rit teams but as an officer I would feel better knowing that I have that resource available,
in the event things turn to crap.

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Permalink Reply by THOMAS A. STOFFER on November 12, 2009 at 10:37pm

Hey dday not to step all over your Discussion but the topic fits for this. I was on The Niosh website and found these great short quizs on there and Everyone knows that we need to be safe out there and these quizs will help do that and maybe you can learn From these so here we go.........

The primary contributing factor to trauma related fatalities while operating in
structural Fire is what ?
A) disorientation
B) Thermal burns
C) Smoke inhalation
D) Running out of Air

To find out the Answer Follow the Link You Will Be Surprised
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/reports/face200628.html

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Permalink Reply by THOMAS A. STOFFER on November 14, 2009 at 12:15am

http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/dead-firefighter-walk...
read this if you think lodd and niosh and ff safety isnt important

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Permalink Reply by R Griffin on November 14, 2009 at 8:26am

Nice....the comments that follow are even better. BE SAFE!!!

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Bryan on November 15, 2009 at 10:47am

If you would change Illinois to Ohio, I would be apt to say that "tommy517" is a firefighter from Columbiana county. Obviously this is not just a problem in our county. What has to be done to get these people to change? Hopefully not an LODD (themselves or someone else) but it seems like that is the direction it is heading. I understand that time is limited, but the people with this mindset need to grasp that everybody has limited time now adays not just them. If these people are a "Firefighter" just to deck out their vehicle with a bunch of cool,flashy lights and a siren, are in it for the "rush", or for a colored helmet, then they are not in it for the right reasons and there is no need for them to take up a roster spot unless they don't mind hydrant duty or being a hose roller. They shouldn't mind doing those jobs because they are two things that haven't really changed that much in years. By the way, thanks Thomas for linking this.

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