Juniors and Live Fire Training

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Gaudio on November 4, 2009 at 9:12pm

It doesnt matter if GOD almighty is there with a crosslay from heaven...the law is the law!

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Permalink Reply by Lt. Caleb French on November 4, 2009 at 9:44pm

I like that line!

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Permalink Reply by Rick K. on November 5, 2009 at 12:47am

GOOD LINE MY FRIEND!!!! Sounds like a bunch of trouble floating in the air if something were to happen!!!

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Permalink Reply by J Brooks on November 4, 2009 at 9:12pm

It still does not make it right!

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Permalink Reply by Scott 1 day ago

Anyone hear of LODD? Understandable that juniors are not On duty, but deaths are still likely to occur during actual working hours, or during training hours. Those departments are setting themselves up for attorney phone calls...

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Permalink Reply by David lord on November 4, 2009 at 9:32pm

I understand what you are are sayin but this was a controlled enviroment. The fire was gas it could be shut off at any second

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Gaudio on November 4, 2009 at 9:35pm

Do you understand the meaning of the LAW?

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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on November 4, 2009 at 9:44pm

It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt...then it's a law suit.

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Permalink Reply by Lt. Caleb French on November 4, 2009 at 9:47pm

Word.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Gaudio on November 4, 2009 at 9:46pm

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0772.htm

HERE!!
All cadets under 18 are prohibited from:

1. driving any fire department vehicle in an emergency;
2. performing interior fire suppression in structures or vehicles or in wildland fires, except grass fires;
3. entering a confined space as defined in federal regulations;
4. responding to hazardous material fires, spills, or other events that may expose a minor to hazardous material exceeding a threshold set in federal regulations (allows for small motor vehicle fuel leaks);
5. performing firefighting “overhaul” duties (i. e. , checking to see that an under control fire has not spread,
which may include ripping open walls or similar activities);
6. operating a personal vehicle with blue emergency lights;
7. performing ice rescue activities;
8. any activity that involves the risk of falling six or more feet; and
9. activities including using a self-contained breathing device or cutting torches, filling air bottles, operating aerial ladders, and any duty involving hose lines with a diameter greater than 2. 5 inches (except five- to six-inch drafting suction lines).

Listen up people, if you are letting juniors train in live burns, I believe these laws are applied to all states.

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Permalink Reply by penrhyn on November 8, 2009 at 1:15am

Now that you have quoted CT. law try some of the other 49 states and see what their laws say. I would almost bet that you can get 49 different answers.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Gaudio on November 8, 2009 at 1:43am

That was the only one that I was able to find. I don't think it changes for juniors anywhere else. If so, I'd like to see for myself because I don't think anywhere in the U.S., Juniors are permitted to participate in this type of training.

Even if so, I still don't see why it should be done. There is too many things that can go wrong to be put in that situation for both the instructor and jrff.

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