Emissions for 2010

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Permalink Reply by Patrick Twohig on March 16, 2009 at 11:53pm

I am suprised that they dont have some kind of exemption for fire vehicles yet since both Detriot and Caterpillar are both getting out of the over the road engine bussiness, leaving only Cummings, and Navistar

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Permalink Reply by Trainer on March 18, 2009 at 7:41am

Mercedes is also producing, and rumor has it Cat is playing around with the new regs, something about spark plugs. My understanding is most are filtering the crank case vent to meet the requirements, but the preliminary cost is still 7 to 10 grand per unit. EPA did this with gas motors back in the mid 70’s and didn’t produce a good one till the 90’s.

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Permalink Reply by Asst Chief Tim Cook on August 25, 2009 at 2:06pm

You've either got to have advanced EGR(International/Cat)or SCR/DPF(everyboby else).Scr is going to use (urea)refined cow piss.In any even it's just another Government mandated bitb of BSW that is going to DECREASE the reliability of Fire apparatus. If you thought the 07 stuff was bad waith until you try this schit! Someone in the EPA oughta get choked! This is the biggest farce imparted on the taxpayers yet. As it looks now only two serious players, Cummins and International with Detroit diesel/Mercedes doing limited engines. They're doing a LOT more than filtering the crankcase vent,wait until you see all the garbage.

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Permalink Reply by Oldman on August 25, 2009 at 2:48pm

It is an EPA (Obama) government requirement. There is nothing to convert to as it only pertains to vehicles purchased in 2010. According to some industry people, the new systems will be able to produce the same fuel mileage as the pre 2009 requirements.

Here is an article which talks about the cost "surcharge" for the new engines.

http://fleetowner.com/green/archive/daimler-2010-emissions-surcharg...

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Permalink Reply by Michael C. Harrison on August 29, 2009 at 1:20am

EPA emissions changes.....not NFPA (the NFPA has no say in the commercial truck industry, and they can only make recommendations to the fire service)

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Permalink Reply by Paul Acosta on August 30, 2009 at 9:12am

I understand it's EPA but regardless, if you buy a mfg 2010 vehicle it must have the emissions changes. The manufacturers must comply to NFPA standards.

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Permalink Reply by Michael C. Harrison on August 31, 2009 at 1:14pm

not trying to nit pick, just trying to set the record straight because lots of people confuse standards and requirements.
Yes, if you buy a mfg 2010 vehicle it must have the emissions changes....because that is an E.P.A. requirement (nothing to do with the fire service what so ever, except that we tend to use diesel engines)

And you CAN get apparatus that doesn't comply with N.F.P.A. standards...it's just not advisable due to cost (it would cost tons of money to try to change cab configurations just for one piece, since not many other places would want a non-N.F.P.A. cab) and liability reasons...among many other things

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