Advanced Truck Company Operations???

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Permalink Reply by Firefighter Nation WebChief on August 13, 2009 at 3:04pm

Anyone know the story behind this photo? While there are bound to be opinions about this operation ... it is hard to know exactly what is going on. If anyone is familiar with this particular incident please post the details.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Zehnder on August 13, 2009 at 3:08pm

Wow not sure I would call this safe nor would I try it. I would Think you could have set the platform on the roof edge and picked the guy off that way. Also, just and observation why not breathing app. WTF

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Permalink Reply by Tom Walker on August 13, 2009 at 3:12pm

Upside down roof ladder........the guy must have been in Extreme danger.........

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Permalink Reply by FF2919 on August 13, 2009 at 3:20pm

Wow! The fire service has invented some unique ways of doing things but this is not something to be endorsed. What was the purpose of this? 2 pictures say alot and I would be curious as to the opinion of the FF's who performed this acrobatic show.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Kuban on August 13, 2009 at 3:32pm

It looks like the close proximity of the electrical service lateral prevents the tower from lowering the bucket any further. Even still, there are safer ways to access a roof. Extension ladder & roof ladder? I agree with Tim, where's the SCBA? Would be nice to get the whole story though.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sellmer, Sr on August 13, 2009 at 3:43pm

?? This is about as unsafe an act as I've scene in 47 year in the service. Some companys are using this proceedure when faced with a parapet wall. Basket should have been lowered close to the peak, an a roof ladder hooked over the peak of the roof, if he was attempting ventilation.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Walker on August 13, 2009 at 3:47pm

Our just delivered KME Tower actually has hooks on the front side of the Basket to extend a roof ladder off of.........However this manuver is off the side of the bucket.........and I just can't imagine anyone doing this..........

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Permalink Reply by eh7fd jr on August 13, 2009 at 3:48pm

well people it is known as part pit my dept does it and it seems safe if you do it the right way and that dont look safe at all

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Permalink Reply by Tim Zehnder on August 13, 2009 at 3:49pm

Also as you can see the ladder is up side down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how is it connected

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Permalink Reply by James Savage on August 13, 2009 at 3:52pm

How can this happen? If this is a paid dept., someone needs to get fired. If a volunteer, someone needs to be banned from the dept. This is beyound stupid! And the sad part is , the yo-yo that dreamed this up thinks they did a good job.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Sterricker on August 13, 2009 at 3:57pm

The roof ladder may not be upside down. There are roof ladders that have hooks on both ends so that no matter what side of the roof you need to work off and what side your aerial was set up on you can slide the ladder over the peak and still hook it so that you don't have to turn the ladder in a 360 while in the bucket or on the main. This may be the case here, especially since I would think the hooks were what was securing the ladder to the bucket floor for him to climb.

The only reason I can think of that this may have been done this way was because of wires near the street or coming off the side of the house where the Tower was set, causing the angle of the main to be too high to hit the roof. It is certainly an interesting tactic and much like everything else we do it would have to be done after evaluating the risk-benefit of doing it. While I don't know the back-story for certain this is my best guess as to why it was done this way.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Honeycutt on August 13, 2009 at 4:10pm

Electrical wires shown in the picture are on opposite side of roof and at the low end so it would seem that a good opperator should have been able to place the basket closer to the peake to safely allow the FF to get in the basket.
Looks like all that was needed was to lower the boom about 6- 8ft. Even if he could only get within 2 ft it would be safer than this.

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