2 In, 2 Out- Clarification

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Permalink Reply by Mark on January 10, 2009 at 2:08pm

i was taught 2 go inside and there must be 2 outside waiting like a fast team.

Permalink Reply by mcl_fireman 911 on January 10, 2009 at 2:11pm

2 in 2 out always, you never leave your brother or sister behind. Also this goes along with osha regulations.

Permalink Reply by Jonathan on January 10, 2009 at 2:28pm

I've always been taught that you go in, in teams of 2. There could be 3-teams of 2 (6 total inside) or 1-team of 2 (2 people inside). Each team of 2 sticks together, when its time for them to get out both leave at the same time. You always have a partner and you always enter and exit together.

Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on January 12, 2009 at 5:28pm

That is correct. The "2-in" part of the theory is that no one is alone. Single firefighters who get in trouble may not be able to notify Command or call a Mayday. Having a second firefighter increases situational awareness, increases communications ability with the outside, and provides immediate assistance to a firefighter who gets in trouble.

The "2-out" part of the theory is that there is at least one team of two firefighters ready to enter to assist lost, disoriented, trapped, or disabled firefighters. However, "2-out" isn't the same thing as having RIT on standby...or even IRIT. An Incident Commander and a pump operator qualify as the "2-out", even if they're not prepared to conduct interior RIT operations. Remember, OSHA set the "2-in, 2-out rule", and they're not firefighters. Firefighters designed the RIT concept of operations and pending national standards. These exceed the OSHA standards by a substantial margin, and rightfully so.

Ben

Permalink Reply by Justin Westmoreland on January 10, 2009 at 2:46pm

What i was taugh is 2 in 2 out is to always be followed. with 1 exception, if we are first truck on scene and there is a viable pt inside then we pack up and go in. saying this of course there has to be a reasonable lack in fir spread. iv also heard that some dept will reasign a RIT team from say ventilation once ventilation is complete. But i am not the expert at this im just a peon, a fairly new peon for that matter.

Stay safe

Permalink Reply by Engine 32 Capt. on January 10, 2009 at 7:18pm

Justin;

You are correct. The only exception to the "2-in 2-out" rule is in the case of a rescue.

However, I disagree with RIT being assigned once another function is complete. If the ventilation team goes to the roof, and someone falls in, who's going to get them? RIT needs to be assigned asap, to insure all members operating on the scene have a chance of being rescued if need be.

Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on January 12, 2009 at 3:45pm

Means 2 in 2 are outside in case they are needed to rescue the 2 in......Paul

Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on January 12, 2009 at 3:47pm

If you are assigned to RIT then that is ALL that you do.....Period....Hopefully you will be bored to death......Paul

Permalink Reply by Tim "snowman"hileman on January 12, 2009 at 4:06pm

the rule directly relates to firefighter safety and rit operations which my dept strictly adheres to

Permalink Reply by Dewayne and Diana Bean on January 13, 2009 at 9:29pm

2 in the house and 2 packed up with scba's waiting to go in also this highly depends on your department and what turnout you get for fire runs

Permalink Reply by Engine 32 Capt. on January 14, 2009 at 8:18am

No Diana. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. If you don't get enough of a turn out to have 2 people outside before a crew makes entry, then they don't make entry (unless, of course, there's a rescue).

The whole purpose of the 2-in 2-out is firefighter safety, which shouldn't be compromised due to a "poor turn out". If you don't get enough people on scene, then it should be a defensive operation.

It's that kind of thinking that get's people hurt or killed.

Permalink Reply by John on January 14, 2009 at 8:52am

I agree 100% If you do not have enough people then no one goes in.

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